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You must be Hela.

Thor: Ragnarok (2017) dir. Taika Waititi

Those last two gifs tho

Odin didn’t choose Thor to be king because Thor was Asgardian and Loki was secretly a Frost Giant

Odin chose Thor to be king because he didn’t see a lot of himself in Thor

And saw waaaaaaay too much of himself in Loki

Like

There’s a reason why the first thing Hela says to these two is the same thing Loki says when he tries to conquer earth

Odin was an asshole to the nine realms out of a belief that Asgardians were better and even when he stopped his warmongering he still thought Asgard was more important than the other realms

And Loki learned the Worst Possible Lessons from him. Not as bad as Hela given that Loki at least turned away from the whole “Being an heir to the throne of Asgard gives me the right to Do What I Want” thing in this film and Infinity War but still

Do you ever think Loki purposefully learnt all this to try and impress Odin? Like he just wants his Dad to love him so he creates himself in his Dad’s image thinking that’s what Odin wants.

Absolutely!

And his resentment of Thor is down to the fact that he can’t understand why Odin prefers this guy whose just a big weird puppy dog who wants to have adventures and fight evil because Loki doesn’t know about Odin’s messed up past any more than Thor does

It also makes Odin’s anger at Thor in the first movie take on a whole new meaning as well…he’s not just pissed at Thor because his actions were foolish and headstrong he’s pissed because Thor did exactly what he used to do, invaded another world and caused trouble because he was sure what he was doing was right and they were wrong

When Odin calls Thor “Vain” with such venom in his voice in that film he’s not just pissed at Thor he’s remembering all the shit he did as well and dreading the thought of it all happening all over again if he doesn’t do something to teach Thor a bit of humility

It makes the second movie that much better as well because what the Dark Elves did wasn’t that far off from what Odin did, but then you can see that he still has a trace of the Asgardian Superiority complex with how he treats Jane.

INDEED

And yeah I kind of wonder if maybe Asgard didn’t start the issues with the Dark Elves we saw come to fruition in this film now that we know what we know

First, Thor in Thor isn’t “…just a big weird puppy dog who wants to have adventures and fight evil….” Thor in Thor flips a table because his “day of triumph” was ruined. The first scene we see with Thor is him, not Loki, stating he will be king and fantasizing about destroying an entire race. We are not meant to believe that Thor’s behavior in Thor is a sudden upset following his failed coronation. We’re meant to perceive that Thor’s always been bold, entitled, reckless, and warmongering (and racist), though there’s a glimpse of a good heart–of the hero he will become–beneath that.

Second, Loki does attempt to emulate Odin and Thor’s behaviors, believing they will earn him the recognition and love he craves. For instance, he attacks Jotunheim in such a way that he would accomplish Thor’s goal (destroying the race), which Odin never condemned, without bringing full on war to Asgard, which Odin did condemn. Loki does resent that Odin favors Thor. However, due to the above truths about Thor’s character pre-Thor, its not for the reasons describe in this post. Loki’s positioned as the level-headed, diplomatic brother, who’s a bit mischievous/manipulative on the side. Odin, unless he’s fucking monumentally stupid, should be much more concerned about pre-Thor Thor’s personality, rather than pre-Thor Loki’s. Pre-Thor Thor’s way more similar to Hela-era Odin.

Third, no. No. Odin does not favor Thor because he’s not like Odin. He doesn’t look at Thor and think, “Asgard needs a better king than I, and Thor’s that king.” No. He never tells Thor anything, he yells at Thor whenever Thor questions him, he forces Thor to act the way he expects Thor to, he calls Thor’s love interest a goat (not strictly relevant, but I figured I’d remind people he’s racist af), and he sends guards authorized to use whatever force necessary to prevent Thor from doing something about the conflict with the Dark Elves (after shutting down Thor’s attempts to rationally discuss the problem). None of this suggests he values Thor’s ideas, or principles, etc. where they differ from Odin’s own. I’m sorry, I just don’t buy that Odin knows Thor will be a better king for Asgard, yet refuses to treat Thor like an equal or hear Thor’s input at any point in the films. Odin refuses to confront his own faults, to the point that he dooms Asgard rather than admit that he fucked up in the past. He covers over the history and keeps the spoils of war. No, Odin doesn’t realize he’s wrong or bad. He doesn’t fear seeing himself in his children. He fears seeing individuals. He fears not being able to control his children. That’s why Hela had to go. That’s why Loki had to go. He couldn’t control them.

I feel like now would be a good time to remind everyone that in the junior novelization of Thor (2011), Odin openly expresses doubt BEFORE the coronation about Thor’s readiness to take on the responsibility of his title. And Frigga’s words of reassurance to him come in the form of reminding Odin that Thor will have Loki to help him.

One might ask themselves, if Odin and Frigga trust Loki’s judgment so much more than they do Thor’s–as this scene would appear to suggest–why not simply make Loki king instead? Perhaps it has something to do with the order of inheritance, Thor being their firstborn and all. But if it did, Odin was needlessly cruel in setting up this “only one of you can be king” game we see with young Thor and young Loki at the beginning of the film. What other circumstances might give Odin pause at the idea of naming Loki his heir? 🤔 Truly, a mystery for the ages. I feel blue just thinking about it.