asgardiankingofmischief:

asgardiankingofmischief:

nikkoliferous:

asgardiankingofmischief:

noli-ge:

seiramili7:

asgardiankingofmischief:

edge-of-silvermoon:

rewritefate:

nikkoliferous:

asgardiankingofmischief:

I think I’ll always love Thor:Ragnorak cause it’s started this trend of mostly good Marvel movies but liiiike? I’m really starting to see what everyone’s saying.

I can accept one movie of a rather under powered and dumbed down Loki (cause I personally thought he mentally checked out just to deal for a bit) but if we do get more movies with Thor and Loki? Yeah, no thanks on the Taika Waititi front. He doesn’t seem to have any interests in continuity. And his disinterest in Loki is quite annoying, considering for the past few movies that it was Loki who was giving the interesting emotional shit. And he also seems to think Thor needn’t learn any lesson.

It’s basically like having a movie made by Thor. 😶

New headcanon: Thor: Ragnorak is actually a viewing of what happened through Thor’s eyes, not say Loki, Valkyrie, or the Hulk.

This is 1000% how I feel about Ragnarok too. I don’t hate it. It’s a fun movie. But the more I analyze the actual details of the movie rather than just enjoying it on a superficial level, the harder it is for me to deny how hugely flawed it was.

I also agree with viewing T:R as the events of the movie being narrated by Thor, and not wholly reflective of reality, too. It helps a little with reconciling the inconsistency for me. Though there are still some instances *cough*thesnakestory*cough* where Thor would have to be either delusional or lying. But… ¯_(ツ)_/¯

If only the narrative in Thor Ragnarok make it clear that the film is from Thor persepective (or point of view) 😥

But if we accept TR is narrated by Thor, it confirms that Thor is this terrible person that sees humiliating and torturing his brother is fun. As someone who rather likes Thor (as he could have become) I still can’t stand this…😐

Yeah, I see where you’re coming from, but I’d consider it more like if Thor was sitting around telling a bunch of his friends the story.

He’s embellishing a lot of it, making himself look the strongest and smartest, showing that he can one up his brother, the god of mischief himself. While also downplaying the kind of sympathy he may have shown Loki in real life (because it doesn’t make for a good story) cause Asgardian stories aren’t about kindness theyre usually about conflict and victory.

Hell, maybe he is straight up lying sometimes like @nikkoliferous said.

It still shows a lack of respect to Loki though. :’D I don’t think there’s anyway out of that one. But this way Thor at least keeps his character and doesn’t become terrible in reality.

Though this ain’t a stable headcanon for sure, it’s just the only thing that helps me deal in these trying times. :“’’D

But this way Thor at least keeps his character and doesn’t become terrible in reality. 

What does this mean? 

I agree with most of your points though. 

I agree, I don’t get that part, do you mean that at least Thor was not like he was in the “fake story” (the movie as it is) in what would be the “real story”? Because how he told it, trying to make himself look better, made the Thor we saw different? So he hadn’t truly become terrible? If T:R really is the way Thor would retell it, it doesn’t really say much good about him.

Yeah, I see where it’s getting confusing, hmmm, but I guess what I’m trying to get at is what Thor wants us to see is different than what he is inside? It’s not to say that it’s a fake story all together but rather, we are given something like caricatures, instead of fully fleshed out people. Or a strong feeling of what the environment on Sakaar was like but not it’s full essence. Or even Hela’s reign? It sounded more comical than how serious it was supposed to be. Or how serious she was supposed to be? Hell, almost everything in that movie sounds like a big joke?

So in this headcanon, it would kinda allow you to ease in to any real development he gets in other installations? Like you can basically go from Avengers Age of Ultron Thor to whatever is next for him. And think of this as some side fun (even though his whole world was destroyed, x’’’D)

But I also agree with you @noli-ge, even with doing this headcanon, it doesn’t say much good about him, but he also didn’t have any real character development regardless? So he rather stagnates, but isn’t necessarily cruel or apathetic? Which I’ll give some examples of (but bear with me cause I haven’t had the chance to rewatch T:R in a while so if you remember it better than I did just tell me! 😊):

• Basically not mourning his friends losses (Warriors Three) – Apathetic
• Calling both Bruce Banner and Hulk his favorite and basically just trying to use Bruce/Hulk regardless of how they feel. (Apathetic/Cruel)
• (Popular one) Trying to change Loki and telling him he can be better than what he is, God of Mischief. Which was a title he had long before turning “evil” (Apathetic/Cruel)
• Blaming Loki for their father’s death (which I guess, but still coooold) (Cruel) *Note: Not too far off for Thor cause he didn’t show Loki any consideration when they’re mother died either. 
• His break up with Jane was mutual? Looks like he really doesn’t care about her. (Apathetic)

I’ll leave it at that, cause I don’t remember but hit me up, if those are wrong. :O

What Im saying is that in a story, maybe he doesn’t want to mention his break up with Jane or Hulk’s backstory doesn’t apply to his narrative. Yeah, he’s still kind of a dick to Loki, but what else is new? 

¯_(ツ)_/¯ (I genuinely don’t think the time he spent on earth is enough to change a 1000 something year old, especially since all his friends and girlfriend never chastise him for his behavior) 

So yeah? In conclusion, this headcanon is like a free pass to help your brain de-stress from all the nonsensical bullshit that you find in this movie. 

Though if they make another movie just like this? There probably isn’t any hope for us. :’’’’’’D

Yeah, I like to think of it like… the actual events in Thor: Ragnarok really did happen, but not necessarily in exactly the way that they’re framed in the film. Like, this is the version of things Thor tells himself and others as kind of a way of coping with everything that’s happened. Losing his father, his home, etc. It’s certainly not perfect, and it probably creates as many additional questions as it addresses. It’s just better than the alternative, IMO.

And also, I guess this isn’t a wholly popular opinion, but I don’t think Thor has really changed much at all? He stopped wanting to commit genocide over being insulted, I guess. But he’s little less arrogant than he’s always been. At least in my view. He still thinks he’s always right by definition, he’s still extremely self-absorbed to the point of almost being ignorant that other people struggle with emotions too, and he still thinks that everything (especially anything Loki does) is all about him.

Even after receiving the shock of Odin’s confession of like, “Oh, by the way, you have an evil sister I never told you about and she’s coming now; you’re welcome for giving you no time whatsoever to plan ahead for this horrific eventuality”–even after that, he still worships Odin and seeks his advice like the dude literally could do no wrong. (Which creates sort of an interesting parallel/contrast between how Thor and Loki each react to the biggest shock of their lives, respectively: Thor with Hela and Loki with his true parentage. But that’s a post for another day).

Don’t get me wrong, I don’t hate Thor. I actually like him in a lot of ways. It’s just… I feel like way too few people acknowledge how little he’s actually changed. He’s gotten funnier and more relatable, and various tragedies have added new layers to his character development. But he’s also still an ass.

Yes, thank you! I agree with all your points.

I feel the same way about Thor. I feel kinda bad but I think it’s the truth. His character hasn’t been developed for some time and the most we get is from Thor (2011), but I don’t actually recall any credible reason for him to change from “genocide good” to “save earth and the nine realms”. Which I will always say, it just doesn’t make sense. He was on earth for like three days to a week? And no one there taught him humility. (Not really) They didn’t even seem to have that much problem with his actions, Jane and friends, I mean. They just found him intriguing (unless Jane did teach him something, I can’t recall? :O) 

Maybe because he thought his father was dead and he had no place to go, but again, it’s too short a time to change so drastically. I kinda wish he was there for a few months or something. Or we actually got to see him change as a person. Plus at the end of Ragnarok, he was planning to bring Loki along to earth. Like how did he thing that would go? As much as I love Loki, the humans have a right to be concerned about him, unlike Odin (who’s just an ass and a hypocrite). Thor basically assumes that everyone will let him do what he wants. 

Though the most frustrating thing is that no movie directors seem to want to change him? And I’m just here wondering if they think Thor doesn’t need to? 

Side note: This is also why I’m kind of pissed at Loki’s death. Like, he was basically fridged, right? Just so Thor can grow as a person. That just doesn’t fly with me. (I did enjoy Thor actually caring about his brother’s death, the other two movies got him in either a party afterwards or leaving Asgard for earth, with hardly any mourning.)

@nikkoliferous​ I read something about that just yesterday! :’O It’s so devastating. I do hope the fact that he survived so long despite the odds means he’ll be back.

That’s one thing I’ll never understand about the mcu writers/creators, they kill off most of their villains. It gets annoying when you can have a perfectly good nemesis for a few movies and have them interact with other villains sometimes? Maybe give them some more depth? Though that maybe too much to ask for from them. 😛 (They’re doing right by Spidey at least, the Vulture was pretty cool and he’ll be back for the next movie, I think) 

Also, the fact that they can’t see what a treasure Loki is (I mean with content and emotional impact), is so aggravating. It seems like so many creators want him dead and I’m wondering why? And if it’s just that they don’t like him, I kind of find that immature as all hell. o.o

It’s something that baffles the heck out of me too. Even aside from what an absolute gem Loki is from an artistic framework, he’s literally one of their most popular characters–if not the most popular character in the entire MCU. So like, even just from a business standpoint, being so dismissive of and disinterested in his character makes no damn sense.

But hey, considering we know for a fact that we’ve changed their minds about offing Loki in the past (e.g., his death in TDW was originally intended to be final)… lol. It makes me hopeful that all the backlash about Infinity War will get to them, assuming they haven’t been planning on him returning all along.

Though, I do love imagining how those sort of conversations between the filmmakers, Marvel execs, etc must go. 😂

“Alright, time to get rid of Loki.”
“Wait, didn’t we already try that just five years ago?”
“Eh, the fans have probably mellowed out by now…”
-five minutes into Infinity War-
“…Shit.”