“wHeREvEr yOU Go!!!” Lmfndfjjsjd literally this happened like twice and the first time he was stopped before a lot of damage was done (I assume I mean they kinda glosses over that huh) anyways shut up odin all-bastard
As opposed to everywhere you go, Odin? As opposed to Thor? 🤔🤨
This is another one of beautiful shots of Thor 1 that conveys a genius symbolism. Here’s Odin who pitted his children against each other for the throne and his unfair treatment of them set the brothers apart. And he is standing on a broken bridge. The bridge that was broken as the result of the brother’s conflict over the throne, over gaining Odin’s approval, over being worthy. The broken bridge of the brother’s relationship. The conflict that he fueled drove his children, literally and also figuratively on the verge of falling down into an abyss. The brothers are holding to the Gungnir, the symbol of the throne. Their hands are close to each other but the Gungnir, the throne has kept them apart. A symbol of how the throne and their rivalry for it, came between them and set them apart. And Odin, the real reason for the destruction of his family, is standing safely on the broken bridge, and he is holding Thor, his favorite son, by the ankle, while Loki is the farthest to him in this chain. A symbol of how his lies and his treatment of Loki, drove away Loki more than Thor and how in the end, they pushed Loki away, just like Odin’s “No Loki”. And as Odin had favored Thor and alienated Loki in all the years, here he held on to Thor and pushed Loki away and left him to fall in the abyss.
Be honest, if your son, even if adopted, tried to commit mass genocide of an entire planet all in the name of approval, would you say “Yes Loki” to them? Yes I’m aware that Odin fucked up when it came to raising them and was so evident in his favor for Thor, but I feel like the “No Loki” has been made into some twisted lame “I don’t love you Loki”.
When Thor went to Jotunhiem and nearly started a war, Odin punished him to teach him a lesson, sending him to live among mortals so he would humble himself. This was to show that he did not approve of Thor’s actions to seek war and bloodshed. Just the same, when Loki attempt to not only seek war but murder an entire fucking planet, Odin told him no.
“I could have done it! For you! For all of us…”
Odin’s response of “No Loki” is far from “I don’t love you.” Or “Your such a fucking disappointment.” His response was of a parent trying to correct the mistake their child made.
Did Odin fuck up in the end? Yes. Was he not the best at parenting? Absolutely. But he was far from heartless towards his son. Just go back and watch that scene, look at Odin’s expression and tell me that he was not saddened when Loki let go. Because that was pure regret if I ever saw it.
I can with complete honesty assure you (as an actual parent) that if I saw my son (or any other person at all for that matter) hanging over an abyss I would use softest language and not- threatening body movements to approach them, hold them in an iron grip and pull them to safety. It’s not rocket science. It’s not a teaching of some first aid course. It’s what any human with empathy would do, spontaneously, instinctively, when faced with such a situation. You don’t “correct a mistake a child made” while the child is hanging over the abyss due to said mistake. That idea borders on sociopathy for me, to be honest.
Do you see people like “No, your life isn’t as bad as you think, get over it and get off that bridge/ledger/whatever other place the person is standing on to jump to their death? No. They bring in specialists to try and help them, they try to prevent them from taking their own life. You don’t talk that way to someone who is on the verge of ending it all. Odin could have said sooooooo much more in that moment, Loki was desperate for affection and love in that instant, I think he would have listened. Odin could have prevented him from letting go, he could have prevented him from falling into Thanos’s hands. You don’t try to reason with someone during a moment like that, you try to understand and comfort them, no matter what their reason for being there is.
I don’t understand why people assume Loki stripped Odin of his powers. Odin says he broke Loki’s spell. What did he break it with if not his own magic? The power of a senior bingo night win? Pudding? His new friend Martha’s dentures? The weight of the enormous expense senior care in the United States is?
And then he just dicks about on Midgard, waiting to die, instead of utilizing Strange’s magic or his own to go back to Asgard. Strange literally says that he chose to stay put. CHOSE. That’s… not on Loki. Why do people continue to say Loki’s in any way at fault for Ragnarok? *buries head in hands*
It is from Thor’s line where he accuses Loki of stripping Odin’s power. Now that doesn’t just mean magical power. But his power as King of the 9 realms. The power that comes from him being king. Because Loki did take that power for himself.
Now of course Odin was able to eventually fight Loki’s spell with his own magicalliness. I’m not disputing that. I’m just saying that yes Loki took Odin’s kingly ruling power. ETC.
Yes, that’s true, Loki took Odin’s political authority over the realms, and he possessed Gungnir, all Odin’s stolen relics, and Odin’s armies. In that sense he did usurp some of Odin’s power. However, I was more disputing the idea that Loki’s responsible for Odin’s death, Hela’s return, the subsequent atrocities Hela committed, and Asgard’s destruction (beyond in the literal sense that he placed Surtur’s skull in the Eternal Flame), rather than claiming Loki did nothing to Odin. In other words, that Loki took Odin’s magic, and therefore caused the events of the film. I take issue with people selectively deciding that whatever Loki did must have made Odin deteriorate rapidly (by turning him human), and the further implication that if Odin had a bit more time he’d have been proactive about preparing for Hela, when that’s obviously not the case because he decides to wait for Thor and Loki to find him and tells Strange he’s just going to hang out. It’s evident that many of Odin’s powers remain firmly in his possession (for instance, he’s still holding Hela at bay during his time on Midgard), so he cannot be human, and that he has every opportunity to do something besides wait. But he does nothing.
There’s plenty people can condemn Loki for. I don’t understand why he’s got to be responsible for Odin and Hela’s bad choices/crimes, too. Thor does blame him for it all in a moment where he’s very upset, and that’s completely understandable. I just wish people didn’t take it as gospel when it’s not accurate given the information we have (and I wish that the film let Loki challenge Thor’s statements or, at least, express obvious exasperation).
I just want to reblog this with @foundlingmother’s tags, because the comparison they make to Thor’s accidental culpability for the events of TDW is… a really good point, actually.
I don’t understand why people assume Loki stripped Odin of his powers. Odin says he broke Loki’s spell. What did he break it with if not his own magic? The power of a senior bingo night win? Pudding? His new friend Martha’s dentures? The weight of the enormous expense senior care in the United States is?
And then he just dicks about on Midgard, waiting to die, instead of utilizing Strange’s magic or his own to go back to Asgard. Strange literally says that he chose to stay put. CHOSE. That’s… not on Loki. Why do people continue to say Loki’s in any way at fault for Ragnarok? *buries head in hands*
It is from Thor’s line where he accuses Loki of stripping Odin’s power. Now that doesn’t just mean magical power. But his power as King of the 9 realms. The power that comes from him being king. Because Loki did take that power for himself.
Now of course Odin was able to eventually fight Loki’s spell with his own magicalliness. I’m not disputing that. I’m just saying that yes Loki took Odin’s kingly ruling power. ETC.
Yes, that’s true, Loki took Odin’s political authority over the realms, and he possessed Gungnir, all Odin’s stolen relics, and Odin’s armies. In that sense he did usurp some of Odin’s power. However, I was more disputing the idea that Loki’s responsible for Odin’s death, Hela’s return, the subsequent atrocities Hela committed, and Asgard’s destruction (beyond in the literal sense that he placed Surtur’s skull in the Eternal Flame), rather than claiming Loki did nothing to Odin. In other words, that Loki took Odin’s magic, and therefore caused the events of the film. I take issue with people selectively deciding that whatever Loki did must have made Odin deteriorate rapidly (by turning him human), and the further implication that if Odin had a bit more time he’d have been proactive about preparing for Hela, when that’s obviously not the case because he decides to wait for Thor and Loki to find him and tells Strange he’s just going to hang out. It’s evident that many of Odin’s powers remain firmly in his possession (for instance, he’s still holding Hela at bay during his time on Midgard), so he cannot be human, and that he has every opportunity to do something besides wait. But he does nothing.
There’s plenty people can condemn Loki for. I don’t understand why he’s got to be responsible for Odin and Hela’s bad choices/crimes, too. Thor does blame him for it all in a moment where he’s very upset, and that’s completely understandable. I just wish people didn’t take it as gospel when it’s not accurate given the information we have (and I wish that the film let Loki challenge Thor’s statements or, at least, express obvious exasperation).
child 1: raise them to have homicidal, violent tendencies then lock them up in a prison because lol u got nothing on me till i’m dead good luck finding me then
child 2: ego/power complex raise him to also want war and have an unnecessary attachment to his hammer but haha those were just the training wheels you didn’t need that thing
child 3: lmao ur adopted and I got you to use you to prevent the wars the other 2 kids will cause also ur worthless and will never be good enough what do you mean ur suicidal
Odin didn’t choose Thor to be king because Thor was Asgardian and Loki was secretly a Frost Giant
Odin chose Thor to be king because he didn’t see a lot of himself in Thor
And saw waaaaaaay too much of himself in Loki
Like
There’s a reason why the first thing Hela says to these two is the same thing Loki says when he tries to conquer earth
Odin was an asshole to the nine realms out of a belief that Asgardians were better and even when he stopped his warmongering he still thought Asgard was more important than the other realms
And Loki learned the Worst Possible Lessons from him. Not as bad as Hela given that Loki at least turned away from the whole “Being an heir to the throne of Asgard gives me the right to Do What I Want” thing in this film and Infinity War but still
Do you ever think Loki purposefully learnt all this to try and impress Odin? Like he just wants his Dad to love him so he creates himself in his Dad’s image thinking that’s what Odin wants.
Absolutely!
And his resentment of Thor is down to the fact that he can’t understand why Odin prefers this guy whose just a big weird puppy dog who wants to have adventures and fight evil because Loki doesn’t know about Odin’s messed up past any more than Thor does
It also makes Odin’s anger at Thor in the first movie take on a whole new meaning as well…he’s not just pissed at Thor because his actions were foolish and headstrong he’s pissed because Thor did exactly what he used to do, invaded another world and caused trouble because he was sure what he was doing was right and they were wrong
When Odin calls Thor “Vain” with such venom in his voice in that film he’s not just pissed at Thor he’s remembering all the shit he did as well and dreading the thought of it all happening all over again if he doesn’t do something to teach Thor a bit of humility
It makes the second movie that much better as well because what the Dark Elves did wasn’t that far off from what Odin did, but then you can see that he still has a trace of the Asgardian Superiority complex with how he treats Jane.
INDEED
And yeah I kind of wonder if maybe Asgard didn’t start the issues with the Dark Elves we saw come to fruition in this film now that we know what we know
First, Thor in Thor isn’t “…just a big weird puppy dog who wants to have adventures and fight evil….” Thor in Thor flips a table because his “day of triumph” was ruined. The first scene we see with Thor is him, not Loki, stating he will be king and fantasizing about destroying an entire race. We are not meant to believe that Thor’s behavior in Thor is a sudden upset following his failed coronation. We’re meant to perceive that Thor’s always been bold, entitled, reckless, and warmongering (and racist), though there’s a glimpse of a good heart–of the hero he will become–beneath that.
Second, Loki does attempt to emulate Odin and Thor’s behaviors, believing they will earn him the recognition and love he craves. For instance, he attacks Jotunheim in such a way that he would accomplish Thor’s goal (destroying the race), which Odin never condemned, without bringing full on war to Asgard, which Odin did condemn. Loki does resent that Odin favors Thor. However, due to the above truths about Thor’s character pre-Thor, its not for the reasons describe in this post. Loki’s positioned as the level-headed, diplomatic brother, who’s a bit mischievous/manipulative on the side. Odin, unless he’s fucking monumentally stupid, should be much more concerned about pre-Thor Thor’s personality, rather than pre-Thor Loki’s. Pre-Thor Thor’s way more similar to Hela-era Odin.
Third, no. No. Odin does not favor Thor because he’s not like Odin. He doesn’t look at Thor and think, “Asgard needs a better king than I, and Thor’s that king.” No. He never tells Thor anything, he yells at Thor whenever Thor questions him, he forces Thor to act the way he expects Thor to, he calls Thor’s love interest a goat (not strictly relevant, but I figured I’d remind people he’s racist af), and he sends guards authorized to use whatever force necessary to prevent Thor from doing something about the conflict with the Dark Elves (after shutting down Thor’s attempts to rationally discuss the problem). None of this suggests he values Thor’s ideas, or principles, etc. where they differ from Odin’s own. I’m sorry, I just don’t buy that Odin knows Thor will be a better king for Asgard, yet refuses to treat Thor like an equal or hear Thor’s input at any point in the films. Odin refuses to confront his own faults, to the point that he dooms Asgard rather than admit that he fucked up in the past. He covers over the history and keeps the spoils of war. No, Odin doesn’t realize he’s wrong or bad. He doesn’t fear seeing himself in his children. He fears seeing individuals. He fears not being able to control his children. That’s why Hela had to go. That’s why Loki had to go. He couldn’t control them.
I feel like now would be a good time to remind everyone that in the junior novelization of Thor (2011), Odin openly expresses doubt BEFORE the coronation about Thor’s readiness to take on the responsibility of his title. And Frigga’s words of reassurance to him come in the form of reminding Odin that Thor will have Loki to help him.
One might ask themselves, if Odin and Frigga trust Loki’s judgment so much more than they do Thor’s–as this scene would appear to suggest–why not simply make Loki king instead? Perhaps it has something to do with the order of inheritance, Thor being their firstborn and all. But if it did, Odin was needlessly cruel in setting up this “only one of you can be king” game we see with young Thor and young Loki at the beginning of the film. What other circumstances might give Odin pause at the idea of naming Loki his heir? 🤔 Truly, a mystery for the ages. I feel blue just thinking about it.
odin is like “when thor was born the sun shone bright upon his beautiful face. i found loki on the sidewalk outside a taco bell”
Oðinn spake:
Bright the sun shone | at the time of Þor’s birth, And bathed his count’nance fair. Loki, wolf-father, | the trickster, the liar, I found on the cold pavement While returning in glory | from a grand hunt For a 3 AM quesadilla.
i wanna translate this into icelandic so imma do it
Sólin skein, björt og gullin við fæðingu Þórs á stígnum við Taco Bell Þar lá Loki
The amount of quality going into these shitposts is amazing
This is not shitposting, this is transformative work!
so fun fact yall. A certain someone splurged out the cash to get this remastered with illumination, what do yall think?
someday archeologists are gonna find this.
which is why i made things like the soft taco just as detailed as the emblems of thor (goat, hammer, rune) and loki (Baldersbrow holding back the fenriswolf, Jörmungandr, rune)
My issue with the portrayal of the Odinson family is not that they are dysfunctional. All families have some degree of dysfunction. In fiction, that makes them interesting. My issue is with the fact that the only one who seems to be held accountable for that dysfunction is Loki. Especially when…
ODIN: Lied to Loki about his origins, probably took Loki for purely political reasons -even if he developed an affinity for him over time, allowed Loki to think he was born to be a king when there was no way in hell he was going to inherit the throne of Asgard, favored Thor and cast Loki aside to the point where Loki developed a complex as a result (because a person doesn’t just magically become bitter out of thin air -it’s a response to something). Also, he didn’t come in person to tell Loki that his mother had died.
FRIGGA: Also lied to Loki about his origins, didn’t stand up to Odin in regards to his treatment of Loki or favoritism of Thor. Went along with Odin sentencing Loki to life in prison.
THOR: Bullied Loki fairly consistently -even if it was purely a result of the culture he was raised in and his father’s shitty parenting, didn’t visit Loki in prison until he needed something from him, and not even going to get into the electrocution torture scene in Ragnarok.
The problem is that all of these characters were allowed redemption or hero status, despite the seriousness of their actions. But Loki is not “allowed” to be redeemed for anything he has done. Odin is forgiven because he cried a tear (of I’m assuming pride?) when Thor had a change of heart about destroying the Frost Giants. Odin is forgiven because he told his sons he loved them before dying mysteriously, without resolving anything. Frigga is forgiven because she was murdered by a Dark Elf. Thor is forgiven because he’s the title character and could probably set Loki on fire and shove him off a cliff and people would make memes about what a great big brother he is for doing that.
Loki has done shitty things. No doubt. But it seems like any good things he does somehow don’t “count” because of those things. And I find this utterly confusing. I despise the message this sends people. That if you are strange, or you don’t fit in…any terrible things you do will define you forever.
Damn, this is good.
“Thor is forgiven because he’s the title character and could probably set Loki on fire and shove him off a cliff and people would make memes about what a great big brother he is for doing that. ”
are you loki, god of knives? 🗡🙄 
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