“wHeREvEr yOU Go!!!” Lmfndfjjsjd literally this happened like twice and the first time he was stopped before a lot of damage was done (I assume I mean they kinda glosses over that huh) anyways shut up odin all-bastard
As opposed to everywhere you go, Odin? As opposed to Thor? 🤔🤨
This is another one of beautiful shots of Thor 1 that conveys a genius symbolism. Here’s Odin who pitted his children against each other for the throne and his unfair treatment of them set the brothers apart. And he is standing on a broken bridge. The bridge that was broken as the result of the brother’s conflict over the throne, over gaining Odin’s approval, over being worthy. The broken bridge of the brother’s relationship. The conflict that he fueled drove his children, literally and also figuratively on the verge of falling down into an abyss. The brothers are holding to the Gungnir, the symbol of the throne. Their hands are close to each other but the Gungnir, the throne has kept them apart. A symbol of how the throne and their rivalry for it, came between them and set them apart. And Odin, the real reason for the destruction of his family, is standing safely on the broken bridge, and he is holding Thor, his favorite son, by the ankle, while Loki is the farthest to him in this chain. A symbol of how his lies and his treatment of Loki, drove away Loki more than Thor and how in the end, they pushed Loki away, just like Odin’s “No Loki”. And as Odin had favored Thor and alienated Loki in all the years, here he held on to Thor and pushed Loki away and left him to fall in the abyss.
Be honest, if your son, even if adopted, tried to commit mass genocide of an entire planet all in the name of approval, would you say “Yes Loki” to them? Yes I’m aware that Odin fucked up when it came to raising them and was so evident in his favor for Thor, but I feel like the “No Loki” has been made into some twisted lame “I don’t love you Loki”.
When Thor went to Jotunhiem and nearly started a war, Odin punished him to teach him a lesson, sending him to live among mortals so he would humble himself. This was to show that he did not approve of Thor’s actions to seek war and bloodshed. Just the same, when Loki attempt to not only seek war but murder an entire fucking planet, Odin told him no.
“I could have done it! For you! For all of us…”
Odin’s response of “No Loki” is far from “I don’t love you.” Or “Your such a fucking disappointment.” His response was of a parent trying to correct the mistake their child made.
Did Odin fuck up in the end? Yes. Was he not the best at parenting? Absolutely. But he was far from heartless towards his son. Just go back and watch that scene, look at Odin’s expression and tell me that he was not saddened when Loki let go. Because that was pure regret if I ever saw it.
I can with complete honesty assure you (as an actual parent) that if I saw my son (or any other person at all for that matter) hanging over an abyss I would use softest language and not- threatening body movements to approach them, hold them in an iron grip and pull them to safety. It’s not rocket science. It’s not a teaching of some first aid course. It’s what any human with empathy would do, spontaneously, instinctively, when faced with such a situation. You don’t “correct a mistake a child made” while the child is hanging over the abyss due to said mistake. That idea borders on sociopathy for me, to be honest.
Do you see people like “No, your life isn’t as bad as you think, get over it and get off that bridge/ledger/whatever other place the person is standing on to jump to their death? No. They bring in specialists to try and help them, they try to prevent them from taking their own life. You don’t talk that way to someone who is on the verge of ending it all. Odin could have said sooooooo much more in that moment, Loki was desperate for affection and love in that instant, I think he would have listened. Odin could have prevented him from letting go, he could have prevented him from falling into Thanos’s hands. You don’t try to reason with someone during a moment like that, you try to understand and comfort them, no matter what their reason for being there is.
This is another one of beautiful shots of Thor 1 that conveys a genius symbolism. Here’s Odin who pitted his children against each other for the throne and his unfair treatment of them set the brothers apart. And he is standing on a broken bridge. The bridge that was broken as the result of the brother’s conflict over the throne, over gaining Odin’s approval, over being worthy. The broken bridge of the brother’s relationship. The conflict that he fueled drove his children, literally and also figuratively on the verge of falling down into an abyss. The brothers are holding to the Gungnir, the symbol of the throne. Their hands are close to each other but the Gungnir, the throne has kept them apart. A symbol of how the throne and their rivalry for it, came between them and set them apart. And Odin, the real reason for the destruction of his family, is standing safely on the broken bridge, and he is holding Thor, his favorite son, by the ankle, while Loki is the farthest to him in this chain. A symbol of how his lies and his treatment of Loki, drove away Loki more than Thor and how in the end, they pushed Loki away, just like Odin’s “No Loki”. And as Odin had favored Thor and alienated Loki in all the years, here he held on to Thor and pushed Loki away and left him to fall in the abyss.
Be honest, if your son, even if adopted, tried to commit mass genocide of an entire planet all in the name of approval, would you say “Yes Loki” to them? Yes I’m aware that Odin fucked up when it came to raising them and was so evident in his favor for Thor, but I feel like the “No Loki” has been made into some twisted lame “I don’t love you Loki”.
When Thor went to Jotunhiem and nearly started a war, Odin punished him to teach him a lesson, sending him to live among mortals so he would humble himself. This was to show that he did not approve of Thor’s actions to seek war and bloodshed. Just the same, when Loki attempt to not only seek war but murder an entire fucking planet, Odin told him no.
“I could have done it! For you! For all of us…”
Odin’s response of “No Loki” is far from “I don’t love you.” Or “Your such a fucking disappointment.” His response was of a parent trying to correct the mistake their child made.
Did Odin fuck up in the end? Yes. Was he not the best at parenting? Absolutely. But he was far from heartless towards his son. Just go back and watch that scene, look at Odin’s expression and tell me that he was not saddened when Loki let go. Because that was pure regret if I ever saw it.
Honestly? In a situation like this, the first thing I would do, is using both of my hands to pull my children to safety first, rather than staying there and staring down at them when they are both hanging on the edge of an abyss and about to falling to their deaths. And if I see my child is in so much distress, and it seems like they are not mentally stable at the moment that the first thing they say when they are so much close to death, is desperately seeking my approval, I would say sth to calm them down, not a refusal, and not an approval, sth neutral like “I know”, because that’s not the right time to correct their mistakes. Also if my child, actually both of my children, think that committing genocide is what I want them to do and earns my approval, then I think that’s definitely because I as a parent made huge mistakes in teaching them what is right and what is wrong. Their mistake is on me.
Thor, before his banishment had no problem with committing genocide. He screamed
“We’ll finish them together father!”
and killed so many Jotuns just because he was called a princess and would murder them all if Odin agreed with him. He didn’t nearly start a war. He started the war. Odin asked Laufey to ignore Thor’s actions and Laufey didn’t accept and stated that they are going to get what they seek, war. Loki wanted to finish that war. Why Loki thought committing genocide would gain him Odin’s approval? Why Thor thought Odin would help him finish Jotuns? Because Asgardians are racist toward Jotuns. Because Thor and Loki were taught their entire life that Jotuns are nothing more than monsters. Loki’s heritage was such a huge deal that according to Odin he had to be protected from the truth! Then Loki learned that he was supposed to be used as a political pawn to bring permanent peace with Jotunheim, a permanent peace that would nullify Jotunheim’s danger forever. So since Odin’s plans for him no longer mattered, he wanted to show that he is not useless. That he can do what Odin wanted to use him for, and eliminate Jotunheim’s danger. So yes, he though using a way to kill all the monster without any casualty to Asgardians would make Odin happy. Because Odin never actually condemned Thor for killing Jotuns. And by killing Jotuns Loki could also prove that he is loyal to Asgard and he is an Odinson. To Loki who thought he wasn’t worthy and less loved and ignored because of his race, that “No Loki” was the last straw. That “No” meant no matter what he did, he could never be worthy in the eye of Odin, no matter how he tried, what he was going to see was only disappointment from Odin. To Loki that “No” meant “I don’t love you”, “You are not worthy”, “You are not enough and you are never going to enough”. If it wasn’t it wouldn’t drove Loki to commit suicide. I never said Odin was heartless but he was a terrible parent. A terrible parent who pitted his children against each other for the throne since they were very young, who favored one son, lied to his adopted son about his heritage and raised him with racist beliefs about his own race and made him feel unloved and unworthy. He was saddened and regretted that his actions drove his son to commit suicide? He sure showed it next time by “Your birthright was to die” and “Frigga is the only reason you are still alive.”
I don’t understand why people assume Loki stripped Odin of his powers. Odin says he broke Loki’s spell. What did he break it with if not his own magic? The power of a senior bingo night win? Pudding? His new friend Martha’s dentures? The weight of the enormous expense senior care in the United States is?
And then he just dicks about on Midgard, waiting to die, instead of utilizing Strange’s magic or his own to go back to Asgard. Strange literally says that he chose to stay put. CHOSE. That’s… not on Loki. Why do people continue to say Loki’s in any way at fault for Ragnarok? *buries head in hands*
It is from Thor’s line where he accuses Loki of stripping Odin’s power. Now that doesn’t just mean magical power. But his power as King of the 9 realms. The power that comes from him being king. Because Loki did take that power for himself.
Now of course Odin was able to eventually fight Loki’s spell with his own magicalliness. I’m not disputing that. I’m just saying that yes Loki took Odin’s kingly ruling power. ETC.
Yes, that’s true, Loki took Odin’s political authority over the realms, and he possessed Gungnir, all Odin’s stolen relics, and Odin’s armies. In that sense he did usurp some of Odin’s power. However, I was more disputing the idea that Loki’s responsible for Odin’s death, Hela’s return, the subsequent atrocities Hela committed, and Asgard’s destruction (beyond in the literal sense that he placed Surtur’s skull in the Eternal Flame), rather than claiming Loki did nothing to Odin. In other words, that Loki took Odin’s magic, and therefore caused the events of the film. I take issue with people selectively deciding that whatever Loki did must have made Odin deteriorate rapidly (by turning him human), and the further implication that if Odin had a bit more time he’d have been proactive about preparing for Hela, when that’s obviously not the case because he decides to wait for Thor and Loki to find him and tells Strange he’s just going to hang out. It’s evident that many of Odin’s powers remain firmly in his possession (for instance, he’s still holding Hela at bay during his time on Midgard), so he cannot be human, and that he has every opportunity to do something besides wait. But he does nothing.
There’s plenty people can condemn Loki for. I don’t understand why he’s got to be responsible for Odin and Hela’s bad choices/crimes, too. Thor does blame him for it all in a moment where he’s very upset, and that’s completely understandable. I just wish people didn’t take it as gospel when it’s not accurate given the information we have (and I wish that the film let Loki challenge Thor’s statements or, at least, express obvious exasperation).
I just want to reblog this with @foundlingmother’s tags, because the comparison they make to Thor’s accidental culpability for the events of TDW is… a really good point, actually.
I don’t understand why people assume Loki stripped Odin of his powers. Odin says he broke Loki’s spell. What did he break it with if not his own magic? The power of a senior bingo night win? Pudding? His new friend Martha’s dentures? The weight of the enormous expense senior care in the United States is?
And then he just dicks about on Midgard, waiting to die, instead of utilizing Strange’s magic or his own to go back to Asgard. Strange literally says that he chose to stay put. CHOSE. That’s… not on Loki. Why do people continue to say Loki’s in any way at fault for Ragnarok? *buries head in hands*
It is from Thor’s line where he accuses Loki of stripping Odin’s power. Now that doesn’t just mean magical power. But his power as King of the 9 realms. The power that comes from him being king. Because Loki did take that power for himself.
Now of course Odin was able to eventually fight Loki’s spell with his own magicalliness. I’m not disputing that. I’m just saying that yes Loki took Odin’s kingly ruling power. ETC.
Yes, that’s true, Loki took Odin’s political authority over the realms, and he possessed Gungnir, all Odin’s stolen relics, and Odin’s armies. In that sense he did usurp some of Odin’s power. However, I was more disputing the idea that Loki’s responsible for Odin’s death, Hela’s return, the subsequent atrocities Hela committed, and Asgard’s destruction (beyond in the literal sense that he placed Surtur’s skull in the Eternal Flame), rather than claiming Loki did nothing to Odin. In other words, that Loki took Odin’s magic, and therefore caused the events of the film. I take issue with people selectively deciding that whatever Loki did must have made Odin deteriorate rapidly (by turning him human), and the further implication that if Odin had a bit more time he’d have been proactive about preparing for Hela, when that’s obviously not the case because he decides to wait for Thor and Loki to find him and tells Strange he’s just going to hang out. It’s evident that many of Odin’s powers remain firmly in his possession (for instance, he’s still holding Hela at bay during his time on Midgard), so he cannot be human, and that he has every opportunity to do something besides wait. But he does nothing.
There’s plenty people can condemn Loki for. I don’t understand why he’s got to be responsible for Odin and Hela’s bad choices/crimes, too. Thor does blame him for it all in a moment where he’s very upset, and that’s completely understandable. I just wish people didn’t take it as gospel when it’s not accurate given the information we have (and I wish that the film let Loki challenge Thor’s statements or, at least, express obvious exasperation).
child 1: raise them to have homicidal, violent tendencies then lock them up in a prison because lol u got nothing on me till i’m dead good luck finding me then
child 2: ego/power complex raise him to also want war and have an unnecessary attachment to his hammer but haha those were just the training wheels you didn’t need that thing
child 3: lmao ur adopted and I got you to use you to prevent the wars the other 2 kids will cause also ur worthless and will never be good enough what do you mean ur suicidal
Odin pitting his sons against one another from an early age.
As a parent, I find this scene particularly disturbing. They both know Thor is older and that Thor will be king. Why even tell Loki that he was born to be a king? What is the point of that?
You know what else is important to notice about this scene, and which only further exposes the stupidity and purposeful ignorance of Taika Waititi regarding the Thor films, is that in this scene, if you compare the expressions on Thor’s face and Loki’s face, in Thor you see an extremely confident, even arrogant young boy, totally sure of himself and his place, and in Loki you see a young boy not at all sure of himself, looking up at Odin with an almost pleading, longing expression, as if seeking reassurance. It’s plain as day from this one scene alone which of the two brothers experienced from an early age popularity and confidence and security, and which felt like the outcast, unsure and even insecure. Yet TW was going to have a scene in Ragnarok which showed Thor as the bullied child and Loki as the mean bully. What an idiot.
That’s too charitable tbh. I think he’s not an idiot, it’s a deliberate choice on his part to make Loki look as bad as possible, and he thinks reversing the brothers’ role in childhood is the way to achieve that.
TR reversed many things about their characters to try to siphon the audiences interest off of Loki and paste it onto Thor. It didn’t work for the people who pay attention. This coming from someone who really liked and had high hopes for Thor.
At the end of the day, Thor needs to gain emotional-intelligence and individuality in order to grow and become really interesting. He just doesn’t ever get that. So he remains shallow as hell and I remain frustrated and disappointed. Loki got sabotaged for nothing.
are you loki, god of knives? 🗡🙄 
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